<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>Tarot History &#187; Jacques Vieville Tarot</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.tarothistory.com/category/jacques-vieville/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.tarothistory.com</link>
	<description>&#34;Over 500 years of history in 78 cards&#34;</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 15:13:53 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator>
		<item>
		<title>Matching the Triumphs</title>
		<link>http://www.tarothistory.com/2009/04/07/matching-the-triumphs/</link>
		<comments>http://www.tarothistory.com/2009/04/07/matching-the-triumphs/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Cary Sheet]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jacques Vieville Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jean Noblet Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Marseille Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tarot History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.tarothistory.com/?p=58</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Years ago, when I first started exploring tarot history, I came to the conclusion that Petrarch&#8217;s Triumphs were probably a key element in the creation of tarot. This wasn&#8217;t a new or original idea, I think most historians certainly see a connection between tarot and triumphs, it&#8217;s been a standard foundation of research for decades, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, when I first started exploring tarot history, I came to the conclusion that Petrarch&#8217;s Triumphs were probably a key element in the creation of tarot. This wasn&#8217;t a new or original idea, I think most historians certainly see a connection between tarot and triumphs, it&#8217;s been a standard foundation of research for decades, at least. The question really is whether <em>Petrarch</em>&#8216;s triumphs match cards from the tarot, and specifically <a href="http://petrarch.petersadlon.com/trionfi.html">Petrach&#8217;s most famous series</a>:</p>
<p><strong>The Triumph of Love</strong><br />

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_love.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic52" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/52__450x600_trionfi_love.jpg" alt="trionfi_love.jpg" title="trionfi_love.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p><strong>The Triumph of Chastity</strong><br />

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_chastity.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic48" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/48__450x600_trionfi_chastity.jpg" alt="trionfi_chastity.jpg" title="trionfi_chastity.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p><strong>The Triumph of Death</strong><br />

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_death.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic49" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/49__450x600_trionfi_death.jpg" alt="trionfi_death.jpg" title="trionfi_death.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p><strong>The Triumph of Fame</strong><br />

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_fame.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic51" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/51__450x600_trionfi_fame.jpg" alt="trionfi_fame.jpg" title="trionfi_fame.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p><strong>The Triumph of Time</strong><br />

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_time.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic53" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/53__450x600_trionfi_time.jpg" alt="trionfi_time.jpg" title="trionfi_time.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p><strong>The Triumph of Eternity</strong><br />

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_eternity.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic50" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/50__450x600_trionfi_eternity.jpg" alt="trionfi_eternity.jpg" title="trionfi_eternity.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>I think three are easy to match, (here with the &#8220;Charles VI Tarot&#8221; from the 15th century).</p>
<p>The Triumph of Love with &#8220;Love&#8221; (or sometimes called &#8220;The Lovers&#8221;).</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_love.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic52" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/52__225x600_trionfi_love.jpg" alt="trionfi_love.jpg" title="trionfi_love.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/charlesvi/charles_06.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic32" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/32__225x600_charles_06.jpg" alt="charles_06.jpg" title="charles_06.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>The Triumph of Death with &#8220;Death&#8221; from the Tarot.</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_death.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic49" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/49__250x600_trionfi_death.jpg" alt="trionfi_death.jpg" title="trionfi_death.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/charlesvi/charles_13.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic38" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/38__225x600_charles_13.jpg" alt="charles_13.jpg" title="charles_13.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>The Triumph of Time with &#8220;Time&#8221; (or sometimes called &#8220;The Hermit&#8221;) from the Tarot.</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_time.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic53" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/53__250x600_trionfi_time.jpg" alt="trionfi_time.jpg" title="trionfi_time.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/charlesvi/charles_09.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic35" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/35__225x600_charles_09.jpg" alt="charles_09.jpg" title="charles_09.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;m not necessarily trying to match these two sets of images graphically (although by nature there would be some similarity) as much as generally associating the iconography and concept.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider matching The Triumph of Eternity with &#8220;Judgement&#8221;:</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_eternity.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic50" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/50__250x600_trionfi_eternity.jpg" alt="trionfi_eternity.jpg" title="trionfi_eternity.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/charlesvi/charles_20.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic43" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/43__225x600_charles_20.jpg" alt="charles_20.jpg" title="charles_20.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>Generally, I think this is a pretty good match. It&#8217;s easy enough for me to see how &#8220;Eternity&#8221; would be expressed with the image of the dead rising from the graves on Judgement Day. If we go with this, then I would suggest that The Triumph of Fame would probably be a good match for &#8220;The World&#8221;:</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_fame.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic51" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/51__250x600_trionfi_fame.jpg" alt="trionfi_fame.jpg" title="trionfi_fame.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/charlesvi/charles_21.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic44" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/44__225x600_charles_21.jpg" alt="charles_21.jpg" title="charles_21.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>In this case, the iconography does strike me as somewhat similar, certainly there is something about the posture of the main characters that feels related.</p>
<p>Overall, matching Eternity with Judgement and Fame with The World feels pretty good to me, and I generally feel comfortable suggesting this. Today when I was looking at the image of The Triumph of Eternity shown in this post (there are many, many other versions, just google &#8220;Triumph of Eternity&#8221;), I realised that this image actually reminded me a little of The World as seen on the Marselle Tarot. This time, I&#8217;ll set the image next to the Jean Noblet Tarot from 1650:</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_eternity.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic50" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/50__250x600_trionfi_eternity.jpg" alt="trionfi_eternity.jpg" title="trionfi_eternity.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/noblet/noblet_world.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic46" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/46__225x600_noblet_world.jpg" alt="noblet_world.jpg" title="noblet_world.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>The most striking similarity is the inclusion of &#8220;<a title="Wikipedia - The Four Evangelists" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Evangelists">the four evangelists</a>&#8220;: the Eagle representing St. John, the Bull representing St. Luke, the Lion representing St. Mark, and the Angel representing St. Matthew. There is also some conjecture if the figure on the Marselle Tarot World card might, in some early decks (like the Jean Noblet, Jean Dodal and Jean Payen), might be a representation of Christ. In the Jacques Vieville tarot from Paris, 1650, the figure is even more masculine and most notably has a halo:</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_eternity.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic50" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/50__250x600_trionfi_eternity.jpg" alt="trionfi_eternity.jpg" title="trionfi_eternity.jpg" />
</a>
<img title="Jacques Vieville Tarot - The World, Paris 1650" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_XXI.jpg" alt="Jacques Vieville Tarot - The World, Paris 1650" width="219" height="432" /></p>
<p>So, maybe the Triumph of Eternity is better matched with The World? I think many people would agree. The Triumph of Eternity is the last in the series Triumphs, just as The World is the last in the series of Tarot trumps.</p>
<p>What can we make of Fame then? The most obvious card to assign to The Triumph of Fame would most likely be &#8220;The Chariot&#8221;, which was also called &#8220;The Triumphal Chariot&#8221; in early references to the card. Let&#8217;s look at this pair:</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_fame.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic51" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/51__250x600_trionfi_fame.jpg" alt="trionfi_fame.jpg" title="trionfi_fame.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/charlesvi/charles_07.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic33" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/33__225x600_charles_07.jpg" alt="charles_07.jpg" title="charles_07.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>This image of The Chariot from &#8220;Charles VI Tarot&#8221; shows what appears to be a war hero dresssed in armor,  carrying a battle  with sword at side. It&#8217;s not much of a match visually to the triumph of Fame, I think substantially less so than the match between Fame and The World card. Yet, conceptually it is a pretty good match with the war hero returning home triumphant and we can assume, famous.</p>
<p>My dissatisfaction with this arrangement is that I want to &#8220;use&#8221; The Chariot elsewhere&#8230; I want to match it to the Triumph of Chastity. For this, I&#8217;m going to use The Chariot from the &#8220;Cary-Yale Visconti&#8221; Tarot dated to the mid-1400s.</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_chastity.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic48" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/48__250x600_trionfi_chastity.jpg" alt="trionfi_chastity.jpg" title="trionfi_chastity.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cary-yale-visconti/caryyalechariot.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic47" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/47__225x600_caryyalechariot.jpg" alt="caryyalechariot.jpg" title="caryyalechariot.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>Several other early decks feature a woman in the Chariot, but  the person is quite changable, through time portrayed as Venus, Mars, Mercury and others. One reason to like this arrangement is that The Chariot almost always follows Love, just as Chastity triumphs Love. To be honest though, when comparing this image with the Triumph of Fame, I&#8217;m back to thinking that they might make a better match after all:</p>
<p>
<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/petrarch/trionfi_fame.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic51" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-left" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/51__250x600_trionfi_fame.jpg" alt="trionfi_fame.jpg" title="trionfi_fame.jpg" />
</a>

<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cary-yale-visconti/caryyalechariot.jpg" title="" class="thickbox" rel="singlepic47" >
	<img class="ngg-singlepic" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/47__225x600_caryyalechariot.jpg" alt="caryyalechariot.jpg" title="caryyalechariot.jpg" />
</a>
</p>
<p>No matter how I arrange the cards, I never get a completely satisfactory match. If I were going to suggest a combination, for me the most successful one would be:</p>
<p>The Triumph of Love with The Lovers</p>
<p>The Triumph of Chastity with The Chariot</p>
<p>The Triumph of Death with Death</p>
<p>The Triumph of Fame with The World</p>
<p>The Triumph of Time with Time</p>
<p>The Triumph of Eternity with Judgement</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p>Please feel free to comment below, or join the thread to discuss this in the <a title="Matching the Triumphs thread on Tarot History Forum" href="http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&amp;t=114">Tarot History Forum</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.tarothistory.com/2009/04/07/matching-the-triumphs/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>2</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Tarot de Paris</title>
		<link>http://www.tarothistory.com/2009/04/05/tarot-de-paris-the-parisian-tarot/</link>
		<comments>http://www.tarothistory.com/2009/04/05/tarot-de-paris-the-parisian-tarot/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Jacques Vieville Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tarot de Paris]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tarot History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.tarothistory.com/?p=26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[An exploration of this deck is long overdue. It is generally accepted that this one of a kind deck was originally published in the early 1600s. If this is correct, it would mean that it is older than any existing Tarot de Marseille (TdM), (the Jean Noblet Tarot is dated to around 1650, and the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="ngg-singlepic ngg-none alignleft" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/21.jpg" alt="21.jpg" width="300" height="538" />An exploration of this deck is long overdue.</p>
<p>It is generally accepted that this one of a kind deck was originally published in the early 1600s. If this is correct, it would mean that it is older than any existing Tarot de Marseille (TdM), (the Jean Noblet Tarot is dated to around 1650, and the Jean Dodal to the early 1700s). Of course, the Cary Sheet indicates that, (at least elements of), the TdM style has been around since around 1500. The Tarot de Paris is usually considered the oldest existing deck that still contains all 78 original cards.</p>
<p>The Tarot de Paris (TdP) follows the numbering of the TdM, and like the TdM has titles and numbers printed on the cards. Some of the cards are clearly related to the TdM, but many have unique designs or are related to other decks. In some ways, the deck reminds me of the Jacques Vieville, it has a crude and wild streak, but sometimes the artwork is incredibly rich and beautiful. Some of the detail in the facsimile version published by Grimaud in 1985 is difficult to see clearly as the colours used in the original have darkened obscuring some of the lines and making some of the artwork difficult to decipher.</p>
<p>An excellent <a title="Tarot de Paris on Andy's Playing Cards" href="http://l-pollett.tripod.com/cards59.htm">summary of the deck exists on Andy&#8217;s Playing Cards</a>. I&#8217;d like to take it a step further and discuss some of the details. This is one of the most important of our early decks, and one of the least known and discussed. Unfortunately, the deck is very difficult to find now, although copies can still be found occasionally on ebay.</p>
<p>Here are the 22 Trumps to enjoy, let&#8217;s explore this treasure together in the <a title="Tarot History Forum" href="http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;p=1368">Tarot History Forum.</a> 
<div class="ngg-galleryoverview" id="ngg-gallery-1-26">

	<!-- Slideshow link -->
	<div class="slideshowlink">
		<a class="slideshowlink" href="http://www.tarothistory.com/nggallery/post/tarot-de-paris-the-parisian-tarot/slideshow">
			View as slideshow		</a>
	</div>

	
	<!-- Thumbnails -->
		
	<div id="ngg-image-1" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/00.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="00.jpg" alt="00.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_00.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-2" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/01.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="01.jpg" alt="01.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_01.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-3" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/02.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="02.jpg" alt="02.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_02.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-4" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/03.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="03.jpg" alt="03.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_03.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-5" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/04.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="04.jpg" alt="04.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_04.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-6" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/05.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="05.jpg" alt="05.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_05.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-7" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/06.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="06.jpg" alt="06.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_06.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-8" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/07.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="07.jpg" alt="07.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_07.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-9" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/08.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="08.jpg" alt="08.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_08.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-10" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/09.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="09.jpg" alt="09.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_09.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-11" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/10.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="10.jpg" alt="10.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_10.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-12" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/11.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="11.jpg" alt="11.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_11.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-13" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/12.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="12.jpg" alt="12.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_12.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-14" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/13.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="13.jpg" alt="13.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_13.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-15" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/14.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="14.jpg" alt="14.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_14.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-16" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/15.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="15.jpg" alt="15.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_15.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-17" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/16.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="16.jpg" alt="16.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_16.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-18" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/17.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="17.jpg" alt="17.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_17.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-19" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/18.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="18.jpg" alt="18.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_18.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-20" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/19.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="19.jpg" alt="19.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_19.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-21" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/20.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="20.jpg" alt="20.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_20.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 		
	<div id="ngg-image-22" class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail-box"  >
		<div class="ngg-gallery-thumbnail" >
			<a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/21.jpg" title=" " class="thickbox" rel="tarot-de-paris" >
				<img title="21.jpg" alt="21.jpg" src="http://www.tarothistory.com/wp-content/gallery/tarot-de-paris/thumbs/thumbs_21.jpg"  />
			</a>
		</div>
	</div>
	 	 	
	<!-- Pagination -->
 	<div class='ngg-clear'></div>
 	
</div>

</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.tarothistory.com/2009/04/05/tarot-de-paris-the-parisian-tarot/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>4</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>An Unfamiliar and Beautiful Belgian Tarot</title>
		<link>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/17/an-unfamiliar-and-beautiful-belgian-tarot/</link>
		<comments>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/17/an-unfamiliar-and-beautiful-belgian-tarot/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Belgian Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jacques Vieville Tarot]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/17/an-unfamiliar-and-beautiful-belgian-tarot/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[My online excursion through the Bibliothèque nationale de France not only turned up some interesting woodblocks, I also stumbled across this set of cards which appear to be related to the Belgian Tarot: The BnF had this description (in French) cote cliché: RC-C-01562 légende: Cartes à jouer : coupes, points et figures département: Estampes et [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My online excursion through the <a href="http://www.bnf.fr/" target="_blank" title="Bibliothèque nationale de France">Bibliothèque nationale de France</a> not only turned up some interesting woodblocks, I also stumbled across this set of cards which appear to be related to the Belgian Tarot:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian.jpg" target="_blank" title="Unknown Belgian Tarot"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian.jpg" alt="Belgian Tarot" title="Belgian Tarot" style="width: 500px; height: 438px" height="438" width="500" /></a></p>
<p>The BnF had this description (in French)</p>
<blockquote><p> cote cliché: RC-C-01562<br />
légende: Cartes à jouer : coupes, points et figures<br />
département: Estampes et photographie<br />
cote du document: RES KH-167 (367)-BOITE 8<br />
partie de: Jeu de cartes<br />
folio, pagination: Numéro 367<br />
catégorie: Estampes<br />
descripteur(s): jeu de cartes</p></blockquote>
<p>This description doesn&#8217;t seem to reveal much other than that they are a &#8220;game of cards&#8221;.</p>
<p>I noticed immediately that the cards were related the the Jacques Vieville tarot, and the &#8220;Belgian Tarot&#8221;.</p>
<p>A good example of the Belgian Tarot pattern is the deck referred to as the &#8220;Bacchus Tarot&#8221;, or  &#8220;Vandenborre Bacchus Tarot&#8221;, published by Carta Mundi/US Games.</p>
<p>The Belgian Tarot is thought to be a split from the Marseille Tarot,  probably sometime in the 17th Century. Some consider the Jacques Vieville Tarot to be an ancestor, or classify the Vieville itself as a Belgian Tarot. With the Vieville dating, we know that most of the iconography of the pattern was set by the mid-1600s. The Belgian Tarot pattern is notable for replacing the Popess and Pope with, respectively,  &#8220;Bacchus&#8221; and the &#8220;Spanish Captain Fracasse&#8221; (a figure from the <em>Commedia dell&#8217;arte</em>). The Tower has been replaced with &#8220;Lightening&#8221;, showing a shepard taking shelter under a tree. Other cards like the Sun, Moon, Star, and World also have distinctive features.  The Vieville could be considered a mix of the Marseille tarot and the Belgian tarot as it has most of the iconography of the Belgian pattern, yet maintains the Pope and Popess of traditional Tarot.</p>
<p>You can read more about the Belgian Tarot on <a href="http://l-pollett.tripod.com/cards63.htm" title="Andy's Playing Cards">Andys Playing Cards</a> and <a href="http://www.tarothermit.com/belgian.htm" title="The Tarot Hermit">The Tarot Hermit</a>.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at the similarities of these decks.</p>
<h3>The King of Coins</h3>
<h4>Jacques Vieville Tarot, Unknown BnF Belgian Tarot, Bacchus Belgian Tarot</h4>
<h1><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CK.jpg" target="_blank" title="Jacques Vieville King of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CK.jpg" alt="Jacques Vieville Tarot King of Cups" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot King of Cups" height="278" width="142" /></a>  <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_CK.jpg" target="_blank" title="Unknown BnF Belgian Tarot"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_CK.jpg" alt="Unknown Belgian Tarot King of Cups" title="Unknown Belgian Tarot King of Cups" height="281" width="130" /></a> <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vandenborre/vandenborre_CK.jpg" target="_blank" title="Bacchus Belgian Tarot King of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vandenborre/vandenborre_CK.jpg" alt="Vandenborre Bacchus Tarot King of Cups" title="Vandenborre Bacchus Tarot King of Cups" height="279" width="164" /></a></h1>
<p>Like the Vieville, the BnF image is untitled. The Bacchus cardmaker obviously placed the title on top of the existing image, practically obstructing the underlying image.</p>
<p>Most surprising to me is that the king seems to have lost part of his crown. I posted last week about the crowns of the Jacques Vieville Tarot, and my curiosity to discover if such crowns have ever actually existed, or whether they could be traced in art history. Even the Marseille Tarots show some form of hat coming out from the sides.  Like so many other old tarot cards, the trend often seems to simplify; to remove detail. The Marseille decks that still exist do not show the top of the throne on the King of Cups, yet I suspect that, like the Belgian pattern, older, now lost versions of the Marseille Tarot probably also showed the top of the throne, but it was lost to &#8220;simplification&#8221;. For example, here is the King of Cups from the Jean Noblet Tarot:</p>
<h1><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/images/noblet/cups14.jpg" alt="Jean Noblet Tarot King of Cups" title="Jean Noblet Tarot King of Cups" style="width: 236px; height: 378px" height="378" width="236" /></h1>
<p>The BnF Belgian seems to indicate fur on the kings trim, as does the Bacchus. I imagine this is to imply ermine fur, which carried the connotation of purity, and was often represented on royalty.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting to see the wall under the king&#8217;s leg replacing the throne and pillow on the Vieville.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that the BnF and the Bacchus have reinterpreted the underside of the kings coat to be a pillow that he sits upon.</p>
<h3>The Knight of Cups</h3>
<h4>Jacques Vieville Tarot, Unknown BnF Belgian Tarot, Bacchus Belgian Tarot</h4>
<h1><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CC.jpg" target="_blank" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot Knight of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CC.jpg" alt="Jacques Vieville Tarot Knight of Cups" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot Knight of Cups" height="282" width="144" /></a>  <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_CC.jpg" target="_blank" title="Belgian Tarot Knight of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_CC.jpg" alt="Unknown Belgian Tarot Knight of Cups" title="Unknown Belgian Tarot Knight of Cups" height="284" width="131" /></a> <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vandenborre/vandenborre_CC.jpg" target="_blank" title="Belgian Tarot Knight of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vandenborre/vandenborre_CC.jpg" alt="Vandenborre Bacchus Tarot Knight of Cups" title="Vandenborre Bacchus Tarot Knight of Cups" height="283" width="166" /></a></h1>
<p>These images are all very similar. The coat with open sleeves and clasp, the spurs, the long hair; the Knight remains consistent. The horse changes slightly in the BnF version, rising higher off the ground; possibly due to the relatively small width of the card. The fringe on the covering of the Vieville Tarot horse is square, the others show a rounded trim.</p>
<h3>The Valet of Cups</h3>
<h4>Jacques Vieville Tarot, Unknown BnF Belgian Tarot, Bacchus Belgian Tarot</h4>
<h1><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CV.jpg" target="_blank" title="Jacques Vievile Tarot Valet of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CV.jpg" alt="Jacques Vieville Tarot Valet of Cups" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot Valet of Cups" height="278" width="141" /></a>  <img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_CV.jpg" alt="Unknown Belgian Tarot Valet of Cups" title="Unknown Belgian Tarot Valet of Cups" height="281" width="130" /> <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vandenborre/vandenborre_CV.jpg" target="_blank" title="Belgian Tarot Valet of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vandenborre/vandenborre_CV.jpg" alt="Vandenborre Bacchus Tarot Valet of Cups" title="Vandenborre Bacchus Tarot Valet of Cups" height="280" width="164" /></a></h1>
<p>The most obvious difference in the three depictions of the Valet of Cups is the different hats worn by the valets. It&#8217;s possible that all three indicate a chain of flowers worn around the brim. The Jacques Vieville Tarot cuts off the top of what appears to be a rather &#8220;fluffy&#8221; hat. The BnF Belgian Tarot only shows what appears to be a headband, but also has a distinct plume. The Bacchus Belgian Tarot is difficult to discern; some sort of at, possibly with feathers, is indicated.</p>
<p>Another clear difference is that while the BnF Valet seems to be standing still, with feet pointing in opposing directions, the Vieville and Bacchus seem to indicate movement, as if the valet is walking.</p>
<p>All three show an open cup in the Valet&#8217;s left hand, and the lid to the cup in the right.  Typically, the Jacques Vieville Tarot shows the most detail of the three.</p>
<h3>Beautiful Pips</h3>
<p>What really struck me when looking at this group of cards was how beautiful the pips are. I&#8217;ve never seen any pips quite like these. The engraver put a lot of effort into the decoration of the pips, cards that often feel like a nessarary afterthought on so many decks. Instead, these cards show great detail in the ornamentation.</p>
<h4>Ace of Cups<br />
Jacques Vieville Tarot, Unknown BnF Belgian Tarot,  Besançon Tarot (J.B. <strong>Benois)</strong></h4>
<h1><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_C01.jpg" target="_blank" title="Jacques Vievile Tarot Ace of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_C01.jpg" style="width: 140px; height: 279px" alt="Jacques Vieville Tarot Ace of Cups" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot Ace of Cups" /></a>  <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_C01.jpg" target="_blank" title="Belgian Tarot Ace of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_C01.jpg" style="width: 130px; height: 281px" alt="Unknown Belgian Tarot Ace of Cups" title="Unknown Belgian Tarot Ace of Cups" /></a> <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vandenborre/vandenborre_CV.jpg" target="_blank" title="Belgian Tarot Valet of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/benois/benois_C01.jpg" alt="Benois Besanon Tarot Ace of Cups" title="Benois Besanon Tarot  Ace of Cups" height="277" width="150" /></a></h1>
<p>Considering the Ace of Cups, I was struck by the similarity to the Besançon Tarot; another varient of the Marseille Tarot named after the Besançon region of Eastern France. The Jacques Vieville Tarot Ace of Cups is, (not surprisingly considering they were both created in Paris in the 1650s), very similar to the Jean Noblet Marseille Tarot Ace of Cups:</p>
<h1><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/images/noblet/cups01.jpg" alt="Jean Noblet Ace of Cups" title="Jean Noblet Ace of Cups" style="width: 237px; height: 378px" height="378" width="237" /></h1>
<p>The BnF Belgian is more rounded, as typically portrayed in the Besançon family, (<a href="http://l-pollett.tripod.com/cards28.htm" target="_blank" title="Besançon Tarot">read more about the Besançon Tarot</a>). It also has some organic growths along the bottom sides.</p>
<h4>Two of Cups<br />
Jacques Vieville Tarot, Jean Noblet Tarot, Unknown BnF Belgian Tarot</h4>
<h1><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CV.jpg" target="_blank" title="Jacques Vievile Tarot Valet of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_C02.jpg" style="width: 141px; height: 278px" alt="Jacques Vieville Two of Cups" title="Jacques Vieville Two of Cups" height="278" width="141" /></a>  <img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/images/noblet/cups02.jpg" alt="Jean Noblet Tarot Two of Cups" title="ean Noblet Tarot Two of Cups" height="278" width="173" /><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_C02.jpg" alt="Unknown Belgian Tarot Two of Cups" title="Unknown Belgian Tarot Two of Cups" height="276" width="128" /></h1>
<p>I think this is my favorite card of them all. I&#8217;m not sure at all what the tree growing from the pot is supposed to represent, but I sure love it. I think part of the effort was to get the two cups centered on the card to match other iconography, such as the Vieville and the Noblet, shown here; nevertheless, I find this very beautiful. I love how detailed the branches and leaves are on this card, it&#8217;s incredible!</p>
<h4>Other Pips<br />
Unknown BnF Belgian Tarot</h4>
<h1><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_C10.jpg" target="_blank" title="Jacques Vievile Tarot Valet of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_C10.jpg" alt="Jacques Vieville Ten of Cups" title="Jacques Vieville Ten of Cups" height="318" width="156" /></a>  <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_C09.jpg"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_C09.jpg" alt="Jean Noblet Tarot Nine of Cups" title="Jean Noblet Tarot Nine of Cups" height="313" width="145" /></a><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_C08.jpg"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/bnbelgian/bnbelgian_C08.jpg" alt="Unknown Belgian Tarot Eight of Cups" title="Unknown Belgian Tarot Eight of Cups" height="311" width="144" /></a></h1>
<h1></h1>
<p>In every way, this is a beautiful set of cards. It has bold and unique style, yet is not really full of surprises; the iconography is basically the same as other decks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know more about this deck. It seems a most unfamiliar and beautiful representation of tarot, truly a gift to us from the past.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/17/an-unfamiliar-and-beautiful-belgian-tarot/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>4</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Update: Vieville Crowns</title>
		<link>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/06/update-vieville-crowns/</link>
		<comments>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/06/update-vieville-crowns/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Jacques Vieville Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tarot History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/06/update-vieville-crowns/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Earlier I mentioned the Crown on the King of Cups, and asked for help in a thread on Aeclectic Tarot to find examples of the crown in the Vieville deck. I was pleased to see some very interesting responses. One of the contributors pointed out that not only does the King of Cups have an [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier I mentioned the <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/01/the-jacques-vieville-tarot/"><span style="color: #000000" class="Apple-style-span">Crown on the King of Cups</span></a>, and asked for help in a <a href="http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p=1386045"><span style="color: #000000" class="Apple-style-span">thread on Aeclectic Tarot</span></a> to find examples of the crown in the Vieville deck. I was pleased to see some very interesting responses. One of the contributors pointed out that not only does the King of Cups have an Asian feel to him, but also that the Queen and Valet of Cups do. I&#8217;ve discussed the &#8220;ethnicity&#8221; of the Vieville deck with my friend &#8220;jmd&#8221; at Aeclectic many times over the years, and still haven&#8217;t been able to come to a conclusion as to what Vieville may have intended.It&#8217;s interesting to compare the Vieville Queen of Cups with the queen from the Jean Dodal deck:</p>
<h1><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CQ.jpg" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot - Queen of Cups" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CQ.jpg" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot - Queen of Cups" alt="Jacques Vieville Tarot - Queen of Cups" height="448" width="229" /></a><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/dodal/dodal_CQ.jpg" title="Jean Dodal Tarot - Queen of Cups" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/dodal/dodal_CQ.jpg" title="Jean Dodal Tarot - Queen of Cups" alt="Jean DodalTarot - Queen of Cups" height="452" width="231" /></a></h1>
<p>The Queen of Cups does indeed seem to have some type of turban on her head, with the crown placed on top.I was delighted when more people got into the spirit of the &#8220;quest&#8221; and some suggestions started to emerge of possible relationships to the Vieville. By far, the most interesting similarity so far comes from Florentine painting from the mid-1400s.  These images are from the Magi Chapel by Benozzo Gozzoli:<br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana; color: #fffff0"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Palaio.jpg" style="width: 200px; height: 301px" alt="Magi Chapel" height="301" width="200" /><br />
<img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CK.jpg" alt="Vieville Tarot King of Cups " height="490" width="251" /></span></p>
<p>Here is another image from the same set of murals, and the Queen of Coins from Jacques Vieville.</p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana; color: #fffff0"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Benozzo_Gozzoli%2C_lorenzo_il_magnifico%2C_cappella_dei_Magi.jpg" alt="Magi Chapel" style="border-style: none; width: 200px" height="301" width="200" /><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CQ.jpg" alt="Vieville Tarot King of Cups " style="border-style: none" height="515" width="265" /></span></p>
<p>And finally, a pretty good match for the Knight of Cups (and maybe a Knight and Valet of Swords as well!)</p>
<h1><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/images/magi1.jpg" alt="Magi Chapel" height="702" width="492" /><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CC.jpg" alt="Vieville Tarot Knight of Cups " style="border-style: none; width: 265px; height: 515px" align="absbottom" height="515" width="265" /></h1>
<p>Of course, this doesn&#8217;t mean anything other than that a set of famous paintings in Italy share some similiarities to the Vieville Tarot. Hopefully, this is just the first set of similar images, and more will be uncovered. Nevertheless, I think these are beautiful.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/06/update-vieville-crowns/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The Crown on the King of Cups</title>
		<link>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/02/the-crown-on-the-king-of-cups/</link>
		<comments>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/02/the-crown-on-the-king-of-cups/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Jacques Vieville Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tarot History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/02/the-crown-on-the-king-of-cups/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[For a long time I&#8217;ve wondered about the crown on the King of Cups in many of the old decks, particularly the Vieville. How odd it is, with the &#8220;wings&#8221; coming out the side. Yet, I wonder if it is based on an actual crown? It is extremely detailed for an old woodcut image, including [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CK.jpg" target="_blank" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot - King of Cups"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_CK.jpg" alt="Jacques Vieville Tarot - King of Cups" title="Jacques Vieville Tarot - King of Cups" height="348" width="178" /></a></p>
<p>For a long time I&#8217;ve wondered about the crown on the King of Cups in many of the old decks, particularly the Vieville.</p>
<p>How odd it is, with the &#8220;wings&#8221; coming out the side. Yet, I wonder if it is based on an actual crown? It is extremely detailed for an old woodcut image, including carved ornament and the skullcap underneath. It looks Asian to me, but I&#8217;m probably thinking of shogun warriors or perhaps fantasy images.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve started a <a href="http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p=1385853" target="_blank" title="Aeclectic Tarot">thread on Aeclectic Tarot</a> to discuss it. Who knows, maybe something will turn up. I hope so.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/02/the-crown-on-the-king-of-cups/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>1</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The Jacques Vieville Tarot</title>
		<link>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/01/the-jacques-vieville-tarot/</link>
		<comments>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/01/the-jacques-vieville-tarot/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Jacques Vieville Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jean Dodal Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jean Noblet Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Marseille Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Nicholas Conver Tarot]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tarot History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/01/the-jacques-vieville-tarot/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The Tarot of Jacques Vieville is a unique and intriguing deck. It was created in the same time and place as the Jean Noblet Tarot, (Paris, around 1650); but is clearly from a different tradition. As far as I know, there is no other deck like it, yet it has similarities to a wide range [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1><a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/vieville.html" title="The Jacques Vieville Tarot"><img src="http://www.tarothistory.com/compare/images/vieville/vieville_XXI.jpg" alt="Tarot History - The Tarot of Jacques Vieville, World" height="476" width="241" /></a></h1>
<p>The Tarot of Jacques Vieville is a unique and intriguing deck. It was created in the same time and place as the Jean Noblet Tarot, (Paris, around 1650); but is clearly from a different tradition. As far as I know, there is no other deck like it, yet it has similarities to a wide range of tarot &#8220;families&#8221;.</p>
<p>When trying to determine the intention of artists , I find the Jacques Vieville often provides the key to unlocking the tarot&#8217;s secrets when comparing iconography between several historic decks.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.tarothistory.com/vieville.html" title="The Jacques Vieville Tarot">The Jacques Vieville Tarot</a></p>
<h1></h1>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.tarothistory.com/2008/03/01/the-jacques-vieville-tarot/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>2</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

